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		<title>By: Vanessa G.</title>
		<link>http://girls-gone-geek.com/2009/12/21/a-twi-meh-comes-to-bella-swans-defense/#comment-116</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Vanessa G.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 01:07:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Sophia</title>
		<link>http://girls-gone-geek.com/2009/12/21/a-twi-meh-comes-to-bella-swans-defense/#comment-115</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sophia]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:59:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Vanessa G.</title>
		<link>http://girls-gone-geek.com/2009/12/21/a-twi-meh-comes-to-bella-swans-defense/#comment-79</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Vanessa G.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 16:01:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I did not mean to &quot;deflect&quot; from your point, only to put the importance of the &quot;Twilight Saga&quot; in perspective to other things.  I just happen to think there are other things more worthy of our raising awareness efforts.

I actually agree with: &quot;external sources are in the background and they raise our collective tolerance for certain negatives.&quot; Something along the lines of sensory adaptation.  I get it.  But &lt;strong&gt;IF&lt;/strong&gt; Twilight is having the negative affect on the human psyche like you claim, it is far too widespread at this point to go back. All we can do is talk about it with our kids, and provide them with context.

I don&#039;t think Stephenie Meyer knew that this would happen when she penned the story.  Are all creators to be censored, just in case their work becomes a success?

Also, as far allegories for and literal abusive treatment of women goes - it is a problem that has existed for hundreds of years prior to Twilight.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did not mean to &#8220;deflect&#8221; from your point, only to put the importance of the &#8220;Twilight Saga&#8221; in perspective to other things.  I just happen to think there are other things more worthy of our raising awareness efforts.</p>
<p>I actually agree with: &#8220;external sources are in the background and they raise our collective tolerance for certain negatives.&#8221; Something along the lines of sensory adaptation.  I get it.  But <strong>IF</strong> Twilight is having the negative affect on the human psyche like you claim, it is far too widespread at this point to go back. All we can do is talk about it with our kids, and provide them with context.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think Stephenie Meyer knew that this would happen when she penned the story.  Are all creators to be censored, just in case their work becomes a success?</p>
<p>Also, as far allegories for and literal abusive treatment of women goes &#8211; it is a problem that has existed for hundreds of years prior to Twilight.</p>
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		<title>By: Lissbirds</title>
		<link>http://girls-gone-geek.com/2009/12/21/a-twi-meh-comes-to-bella-swans-defense/#comment-77</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lissbirds]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 03:33:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;#commentbody-74&quot;&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-74&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Vanessa G.&lt;/a&gt; :&lt;/strong&gt;
Besides, there are much more serious things going on in this world – gun toting 8 year olds on the Gaza Strip, human trafficking, gay people being murdered for being gay, the crash of our financial system.  And people are concerned about Twilight…seriously?
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Deflecting from the initial argument doesn&#039;t solve the issue....

&quot;Stop blaming external sources for the unhealthy psyche of our youth.&quot;

I&#039;m not.  But external sources are in the background and they raise our collective tolerance for certain negatives.  To give an example, violence.  The more violence we see, the more numb we become to it.  Kind of like what you just said with all the horrible stuff happening on the news--eventually we--and children--become numb to it all, and a news report about a guy getting murdered on the local news doesn&#039;t have the impact it would&#039;ve in the past.  To have a book become so wildly popular with a quasi-emotional abusive male lead and for people not even to see him as a poor example of a great guy...well, then I think we&#039;re so used to this kind of behavior it just seems normal.  I think by citing an example from the news you proved my point.

Also, it&#039;s commendable that you&#039;ve read the series with your daughter.  But 99.9% of the girls who read Twilight don&#039;t have parental guidance.  And to answer E. Peterman, no, for the most part they aren&#039;t that discerning.  I work in a school library that owns multiple copies of the Twilight saga (that I ordered for the library myself), and it was so wildly popular last year because of the fourth book.  Girls were too busy debating the merits of either Team Jacob or Team Edward to even stop to think critically about the behaviors of each in the book.  They just don&#039;t read that much into it.  Sure, there were a few girls who roll their eyes at the whole Twilight phenomenon, but I can only think of three students off the top of my head.

Sure, lots of jerks were great literary characters.  Heathcliff and Catherine--treated each other something awful.  But that book didn&#039;t have a happy ending and there&#039;s a reason for that.  So what if it&#039;s fiction?  Edward is the picture in the minds of many young women of the guy they want to someday meet.  Fiction influences.  Just like the nightly news does.  And if that article I cited is a little off in its facts, I can show you four more articles from four different sources.]]></description>
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<strong><a href="#comment-74" rel="nofollow">Vanessa G.</a> :</strong><br />
Besides, there are much more serious things going on in this world – gun toting 8 year olds on the Gaza Strip, human trafficking, gay people being murdered for being gay, the crash of our financial system.  And people are concerned about Twilight…seriously?
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<p>Deflecting from the initial argument doesn&#8217;t solve the issue&#8230;.</p>
<p>&#8220;Stop blaming external sources for the unhealthy psyche of our youth.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not.  But external sources are in the background and they raise our collective tolerance for certain negatives.  To give an example, violence.  The more violence we see, the more numb we become to it.  Kind of like what you just said with all the horrible stuff happening on the news&#8211;eventually we&#8211;and children&#8211;become numb to it all, and a news report about a guy getting murdered on the local news doesn&#8217;t have the impact it would&#8217;ve in the past.  To have a book become so wildly popular with a quasi-emotional abusive male lead and for people not even to see him as a poor example of a great guy&#8230;well, then I think we&#8217;re so used to this kind of behavior it just seems normal.  I think by citing an example from the news you proved my point.</p>
<p>Also, it&#8217;s commendable that you&#8217;ve read the series with your daughter.  But 99.9% of the girls who read Twilight don&#8217;t have parental guidance.  And to answer E. Peterman, no, for the most part they aren&#8217;t that discerning.  I work in a school library that owns multiple copies of the Twilight saga (that I ordered for the library myself), and it was so wildly popular last year because of the fourth book.  Girls were too busy debating the merits of either Team Jacob or Team Edward to even stop to think critically about the behaviors of each in the book.  They just don&#8217;t read that much into it.  Sure, there were a few girls who roll their eyes at the whole Twilight phenomenon, but I can only think of three students off the top of my head.</p>
<p>Sure, lots of jerks were great literary characters.  Heathcliff and Catherine&#8211;treated each other something awful.  But that book didn&#8217;t have a happy ending and there&#8217;s a reason for that.  So what if it&#8217;s fiction?  Edward is the picture in the minds of many young women of the guy they want to someday meet.  Fiction influences.  Just like the nightly news does.  And if that article I cited is a little off in its facts, I can show you four more articles from four different sources.</p>
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		<title>By: E. Peterman</title>
		<link>http://girls-gone-geek.com/2009/12/21/a-twi-meh-comes-to-bella-swans-defense/#comment-76</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[E. Peterman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2010 14:16:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Anybody remember the &quot;Flowers in the Attic&quot; series? The writing was horrible and the running theme of brother/sister romance was outrageously wrong. They were hugely popular with girls when I was in middle school, me included. I was a sensitive and impressionable kid, but did the books make me think that it was OK, even desirable, to make out with a male relative? Or that the book had anything to do with real life? No. I know quite a few moms who HAVE read the books with their girls. (My 9-year-old son and I are reading the &quot;Diary of a Wimpy Kid&quot; series together. It&#039;s not &quot;Twilight,&quot; but I do feel a responsibility to be aware of what he&#039;s internalizing.) I totally appreciate the concern about the dynamic of Edward and Bella&#039;s relationship, but I also wish we&#039;d give young women a little more credit for being able to think and discern. Plus, there&#039;s a lot worse out there.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anybody remember the &#8220;Flowers in the Attic&#8221; series? The writing was horrible and the running theme of brother/sister romance was outrageously wrong. They were hugely popular with girls when I was in middle school, me included. I was a sensitive and impressionable kid, but did the books make me think that it was OK, even desirable, to make out with a male relative? Or that the book had anything to do with real life? No. I know quite a few moms who HAVE read the books with their girls. (My 9-year-old son and I are reading the &#8220;Diary of a Wimpy Kid&#8221; series together. It&#8217;s not &#8220;Twilight,&#8221; but I do feel a responsibility to be aware of what he&#8217;s internalizing.) I totally appreciate the concern about the dynamic of Edward and Bella&#8217;s relationship, but I also wish we&#8217;d give young women a little more credit for being able to think and discern. Plus, there&#8217;s a lot worse out there.</p>
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		<title>By: Vanessa G.</title>
		<link>http://girls-gone-geek.com/2009/12/21/a-twi-meh-comes-to-bella-swans-defense/#comment-74</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Vanessa G.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2010 05:26:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for taking the time to read.  Although I find that this is the same thing I hear over and over again - Edward is moody, stalkerish, and shows signs of an abusive boyfriend.

Edward is a vampire.  The book is fiction.  

&lt;em&gt;&quot;12-year-olds can’t pick through the plot points and assess them like you can. And parents aren’t going to read through it with their kids.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

THAT is the problem, NOT the books.  I read every single book with my daughter.  We had a regular dialogue about it.  She was clear on the fact that Edward was a vampire, that the behavior was that of a fictional monster, and she wasn&#039;t all that impressed by him.  Parents should take the time, I did. Stop blaming external sources for the unhealthy psyche of our youth.  

I read the link  you posted in your reply, paralleling things from Twilight with abusive behavior. Many of the references listed from the book or movie were taken out of context or are just incorrect.  I might be more receptive if the naysayers had correct information.

Besides, there are much more serious things going on in this world - gun toting 8 year olds on the Gaza Strip, human trafficking, gay people being murdered for being gay, the crash of our financial system.  And people are concerned about Twilight...seriously?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for taking the time to read.  Although I find that this is the same thing I hear over and over again &#8211; Edward is moody, stalkerish, and shows signs of an abusive boyfriend.</p>
<p>Edward is a vampire.  The book is fiction.  </p>
<p><em>&#8220;12-year-olds can’t pick through the plot points and assess them like you can. And parents aren’t going to read through it with their kids.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>THAT is the problem, NOT the books.  I read every single book with my daughter.  We had a regular dialogue about it.  She was clear on the fact that Edward was a vampire, that the behavior was that of a fictional monster, and she wasn&#8217;t all that impressed by him.  Parents should take the time, I did. Stop blaming external sources for the unhealthy psyche of our youth.  </p>
<p>I read the link  you posted in your reply, paralleling things from Twilight with abusive behavior. Many of the references listed from the book or movie were taken out of context or are just incorrect.  I might be more receptive if the naysayers had correct information.</p>
<p>Besides, there are much more serious things going on in this world &#8211; gun toting 8 year olds on the Gaza Strip, human trafficking, gay people being murdered for being gay, the crash of our financial system.  And people are concerned about Twilight&#8230;seriously?</p>
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		<title>By: Lissbirds</title>
		<link>http://girls-gone-geek.com/2009/12/21/a-twi-meh-comes-to-bella-swans-defense/#comment-73</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lissbirds]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2010 04:43:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The disturbing thing is that 12-year-old girls look up to Edward as the perfect male.  12-year-olds can&#039;t pick through the plot points and assess them like you can.  And parents aren&#039;t going to read through it with their kids.  Edward doesn&#039;t have to be a &quot;role model&quot; to influence anyone--the books are becoming part of our culture.

I finally caved and read the first book.  I don&#039;t understand why everyone loves Edward Cullen.  Why does Bella even like him?  Because he pays attention to her?  Really, I can&#039;t find a reason.  He&#039;s moody, easily angered, and stalkerish.  Why is this seen as the ideal man?  Why are twentysomethings wishing their boyfriends were more like Edward?

Not to mention the emotional abuse.  http://kar3ning.livejournal.com/545639.html  As a person who works with teenaged girls I find this disturbing.

Sure, Bella&#039;s not all bad as a character.  But she&#039;s a blank slate that any girl (well, not this one) can project herself onto.  That&#039;s just weak writing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The disturbing thing is that 12-year-old girls look up to Edward as the perfect male.  12-year-olds can&#8217;t pick through the plot points and assess them like you can.  And parents aren&#8217;t going to read through it with their kids.  Edward doesn&#8217;t have to be a &#8220;role model&#8221; to influence anyone&#8211;the books are becoming part of our culture.</p>
<p>I finally caved and read the first book.  I don&#8217;t understand why everyone loves Edward Cullen.  Why does Bella even like him?  Because he pays attention to her?  Really, I can&#8217;t find a reason.  He&#8217;s moody, easily angered, and stalkerish.  Why is this seen as the ideal man?  Why are twentysomethings wishing their boyfriends were more like Edward?</p>
<p>Not to mention the emotional abuse.  <a href="http://kar3ning.livejournal.com/545639.html" rel="nofollow">http://kar3ning.livejournal.com/545639.html</a>  As a person who works with teenaged girls I find this disturbing.</p>
<p>Sure, Bella&#8217;s not all bad as a character.  But she&#8217;s a blank slate that any girl (well, not this one) can project herself onto.  That&#8217;s just weak writing.</p>
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		<title>By: Vanessa G.</title>
		<link>http://girls-gone-geek.com/2009/12/21/a-twi-meh-comes-to-bella-swans-defense/#comment-35</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Vanessa G.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 14:08:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hmmm, that&#039;s odd.  I sense sarcasm.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm, that&#8217;s odd.  I sense sarcasm.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Lee Delano</title>
		<link>http://girls-gone-geek.com/2009/12/21/a-twi-meh-comes-to-bella-swans-defense/#comment-33</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Frank Lee Delano]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 06:25:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My understanding is &lt;a href=&quot;http://chud.com/articles/articles/21684/1/THE-DEVIN039S-ADVOCATE-WHY-BREAKING-DAWN-MUST-BE-MADE-INTO-A-MOVIE/Page1.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;you stopped short of brilliance&lt;/a&gt;. I haven&#039;t read/viewed anything &lt;i&gt;Twilight&lt;/i&gt;, but I&#039;d have to seriously consider seeing &lt;i&gt;Breaking Dawn&lt;/i&gt;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My understanding is <a href="http://chud.com/articles/articles/21684/1/THE-DEVIN039S-ADVOCATE-WHY-BREAKING-DAWN-MUST-BE-MADE-INTO-A-MOVIE/Page1.html" rel="nofollow">you stopped short of brilliance</a>. I haven&#8217;t read/viewed anything <i>Twilight</i>, but I&#8217;d have to seriously consider seeing <i>Breaking Dawn</i>.</p>
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		<title>By: E. Peterman</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[E. Peterman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 20:04:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you so much for reading, Ramon! I&#039;ll be interested to see how these books stand the test of time. My daughter is 5, so I wonder if the series will be a considered must-read tween classics by the time she&#039;s old enough to read them. For now, my 9-year-old son is only interested in the wolves-vs.-vampire subplot.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you so much for reading, Ramon! I&#8217;ll be interested to see how these books stand the test of time. My daughter is 5, so I wonder if the series will be a considered must-read tween classics by the time she&#8217;s old enough to read them. For now, my 9-year-old son is only interested in the wolves-vs.-vampire subplot.</p>
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